23 Wakati wanjira mu tempile, ŵalara ŵa ŵasembe na ŵalara ŵa ŵanthu ŵakiza kwa iyo apo wakasambizganga, ndipo ŵakati: “Kasi ukuchita vinthu ivi na mazaza wuli? Ndipo ni njani wakakupa mazaza agha?”+ 24 Yesu wakaŵazgora kuti: “Nane nimufumbaninge chinthu chimoza. Para mwaniphalira, nane nimuphaliraninge mazaza agho nkhuchitira vinthu ivi: 25 Kasi ubatizo wa Yohane ukafuma nkhu? Ukafuma kuchanya panji ku ŵanthu?” Kweni ŵakamba kudumbirana pakati pawo, ŵakati: “Usange titenge, ‘Ukafuma kuchanya,’ iyo watifumbenge kuti, ‘Ipo mukalekerachi kumugomezga?’+ 26 Kweni usange titenge, ‘Ukafuma ku ŵanthu,’ tikopa mzinda, chifukwa wose ŵakuwona Yohane kuŵa ntchimi.” 27 Ntheura, ŵakamuzgora Yesu kuti: “Tikumanya chara.” Nayo wakati kwa iwo: “Mbwenu nane nimuphaliraninge chara mazaza agho nkhuchitira vinthu ivi.

27 Ŵakizaso ku Yerusalemu. Ndipo apo wakendanga mu tempile, ŵalara ŵa ŵasembe, ŵalembi, na ŵalara ŵakiza kwa iyo, 28 ŵakati: “Kasi ukuchita vinthu ivi na mazaza wuli? Ndipo ni njani wakakupa mazaza ghakuchitira vinthu ivi?”+ 29 Yesu wakati kwa iwo: “Nimufumbaninge fumbo limoza. Munizgore ndipo nane nimuphaliraninge mazaza agho nkhuchitira vinthu ivi. 30 Kasi ubatizo wa Yohane+ ukafuma kuchanya panji ku ŵanthu? Nizgorani.”+ 31 Ntheura ŵakamba kudumbirana pakati pawo, ŵakati: “Usange titenge, ‘Ukafuma kuchanya,’ iyo watenge, ‘Ipo mukalekerachi kumugomezga?’ 32 Kweni usange titenge, ‘Ukafuma ku ŵanthu’?” Ŵakawopanga mzinda, chifukwa wose aŵa ŵakawonanga Yohane kuti wakaŵa ntchimi nadi.+ 33 Ntheura Yesu ŵakamuzgora kuti: “Tikumanya chara.” Ndipo Yesu wakati kwa iwo: “Mbwenu nane nimuphaliraninge chara mazaza agho nkhuchitira vinthu ivi.”