27 Ŵakizaso ku Yerusalemu. Ndipo apo wakendanga mu tempile, ŵalara ŵa ŵasembe, ŵalembi, na ŵalara ŵakiza kwa iyo, 28 ŵakati: “Kasi ukuchita vinthu ivi na mazaza wuli? Ndipo ni njani wakakupa mazaza ghakuchitira vinthu ivi?”+ 29 Yesu wakati kwa iwo: “Nimufumbaninge fumbo limoza. Munizgore ndipo nane nimuphaliraninge mazaza agho nkhuchitira vinthu ivi. 30 Kasi ubatizo wa Yohane+ ukafuma kuchanya panji ku ŵanthu? Nizgorani.”+ 31 Ntheura ŵakamba kudumbirana pakati pawo, ŵakati: “Usange titenge, ‘Ukafuma kuchanya,’ iyo watenge, ‘Ipo mukalekerachi kumugomezga?’ 32 Kweni usange titenge, ‘Ukafuma ku ŵanthu’?” Ŵakawopanga mzinda, chifukwa wose aŵa ŵakawonanga Yohane kuti wakaŵa ntchimi nadi.+ 33 Ntheura Yesu ŵakamuzgora kuti: “Tikumanya chara.” Ndipo Yesu wakati kwa iwo: “Mbwenu nane nimuphaliraninge chara mazaza agho nkhuchitira vinthu ivi.”

20 Zuŵa linyake, apo Yesu wakasambizganga ŵanthu mu tempile na kupharazga makani ghawemi, ŵalara ŵa ŵasembe na ŵalembi pamoza na ŵalara ŵakiza, 2 ndipo ŵakati kwa iyo: “Utiphalire, kasi ukuchita vinthu ivi na mazaza wuli? Ndipo ni njani wakakupa mazaza agha?”+ 3 Wakaŵazgora kuti: “Nane nimufumbaninge fumbo, ndipo munizgore: 4 Kasi ubatizo wa Yohane ukafuma kuchanya panji ku ŵanthu?” 5 Ntheura ŵakadumbirana pakati pawo, ŵakati: “Usange titenge, ‘Ukafuma kuchanya,’ iyo watenge, ‘Ipo mukalekerachi kumugomezga?’ 6 Kweni usange titenge, ‘Ukafuma ku ŵanthu,’ ŵanthu wose ŵatiswenge na malibwe, chifukwa ŵakukhorwa kuti Yohane wakaŵa ntchimi.”+ 7 Ntheura ŵakamuzgora kuti ŵakamanyanga yayi uko ukafuma. 8 Yesu wakati kwa iwo: “Mbwenu nane nimuphaliraninge chara mazaza agho nkhuchitira vinthu ivi.”